Expensify, Inc. (NASDAQ:EXFY) Q2 2024 Earnings Convention Name August 8, 2024 5:00 PM ET
Firm Members
Ryan Schaffer – Chief Monetary Officer
David Barrett – Founder & Chief Govt Officer
Convention Name Members
Aaron Kimpson – JMP
Ryan Schaffer
Welcome to the Q2 2024 Expensify Earnings. I am Expensify CFO, Ryan Schaffer, and with me I’ve our, Co-Founder and CEO — I am sorry, I’ve our Founder and CEO, not Co-Founder, David Barrett.
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With that out of the best way, let’s speak in regards to the financials. In Q2, our income was $33.3 million. Our common paid members have been 684,000. So, these numbers have principally leveled off. They’re successfully flat quarter-over-quarter. They’re each inside 1% of Q1, and likewise our interchange was $4 million, which is a 14% quarter-over-quarter enhance and a 48% year-over-year enhance.
Our working money stream was $9.3 million. Once more, working money stream contains timing of buyer funds, which may differ relying on when the quarter ends. Our free money stream, which excludes the timing of buyer funds, was $5.7 million, which is a ten% quarter-over-quarter enhance, one thing we’re very glad about. We have talked lots about our cost-cutting measures and we’re happy with the outcomes that we’re seeing.
Our internet loss was $2.8 million, however our non-GAAP internet earnings was $5.6 million and our adjusted EBITDA was $10.2 million, one thing we’re very glad about.
All proper. Now, my favourite matter, the Expensify Card. Quarterly interchange from the cardboard grew 48% year-over-year to $4 million. And now my favourite topic is this system supervisor situation. So, as you realize, we have been transitioning our members from our outdated card program to our new card program. The brand new card program has two advantages. One, we earn 20% extra interchange on each transaction. And in addition underneath the brand new program, our interchange might be thought-about income as a substitute of contra expense in value of income. So, it cleans up the monetary story. It makes the financials simpler to grasp. So, our internet interchange was $3.5 million. Our interchange in income is $5 million for a complete interchange of $4 million. So, the best way to type of learn that is $3.5 million on the outdated program, $5 million — or $0.5 million on the brand new program, whole $4 million.
We’re additionally rising our free money stream steerage. Beforehand, our steerage was $10 million to $12 million for the 12 months. Final quarter, we elevated that to $11 million to $13 million. And now we’re rising our annual 12 months steerage to $15 million to $16 million, which is a giant bounce and I feel a testomony to the effectiveness of the self-discipline that we put into decreasing our prices. Once more, our free money stream is $5.7 million, which is a ten% enhance from Q1.
As you realize, we do not give paid member steerage, however we do present you the actuals from how the present quarter goes. So in July, our paid members have been as much as 689,000. When you have a look at the pink bars, they present this present July after which each July up to now. And usually, July is a little bit of a tender month. You will see that we typically see a month-over-month lower, however this month we’re truly up. So issues — that is excellent news. So, we’re enthusiastic about that.
All proper. Now let’s discuss some enterprise highlights. Our search engine marketing key phrases have elevated 122% year-over-year. That is essential as a result of it is prime of funnel. Principally with the intention to be on the primary web page, you must work your manner there. So the progress throughout our lengthy tail key phrases has been rising quarter-over-quarter. So, we’re inspired by the progress we’re seeing there, and that is the extra precise outcomes. These are the key phrases which are on the primary web page, which get virtually all of the clicks. So, we have seen a 57% enhance quarter-over-quarter in our first web page search engine marketing key phrases. So, our content material advertising and marketing technique is working and dealing properly and shortly, in order that’s one thing to be inspired by.
Additionally, we proceed to see a brisk enchancment in our variety of world reimbursement prospects. International reimbursement is essential as a result of we’re a worldwide firm, and our prospects wish to reimburse their staff it doesn’t matter what nation they’re in. And these are typically bigger prospects being in lots of or additional within the U.S., world reimbursement is essential for giant enterprise prospects. However it’s additionally essential as a result of it permits us to broaden globally in international locations that we usually struggled or we’ve traditionally struggled to develop in. So, this type of unlocks a extra world alternative.
Moreover, you may need seen that we introduced our partnership with Apple for his or her upcoming 2025 movie, F1, which is predicted to be a really profitable blockbuster. We’re the title group sponsor in that movie. In order you’ll be able to see on this Instagram put up on the suitable, you see Mr. Brad Pitt with Expensify throughout his chest. So, we’re — our identify is on the automobile. It is on all of the jerseys. It has a really huge placement inside the movie, one thing we’re very excited by. The film remains to be filming. It does not come out till subsequent 12 months, and we have already gotten such nice protection in TV — on each TV and on-line that we have reached over 600 million impressions. Moreover, as a result of the truth that we’ve such loopy good placement on all throughout the film and the way a lot buzz this film is producing, our earned media protection is estimated to be over $100 million at this level.
For these of you not acquainted with the time period, earned media, what meaning is, what can be the monetary equal to get all the location that we’ve gotten successfully without cost as a result of all the excitement. So if you consider how a lot does it value to have one of many greatest stars on this planet have our identify on their chest for months and months and be filmed by the paparazzi and lined on the information internationally. Additionally, all of the placements that we’re getting throughout F1 races and all of the YouTube movies and all the things that persons are creating. Additionally they launched a trailer, which has been seen over 10 million occasions on YouTube alone, additionally throughout X and different social media. So the protection that this has generated up to now is estimated to — it will have value us $100 million to get that. Clearly, we’ve paid $100 million for that. So that is what earned media means.
With that, I wish to hand it over to our CEO, David Barrett.
David Barrett
All proper. Sure. Very excited in regards to the F1 film. I feel that we have been speaking about making an attempt to create a roadmap that builds a type of blended shopper enterprise software, and I feel the timing is basically figuring out good for us. That is good.
All proper. So final quarter, we talked about only a bunch of performance that we will construct. And so, just about, I haven’t got heaps to speak about apart from to say, like, we have achieved just about what we got down to do and we type of stroll by means of some highlights there.
So to begin first, nevertheless, is this type of a reminder of the general technique. Now, lots of you have got already seen it earlier than however there’s all the time new viewers. So let’s simply begin with type of — I feel there’s three secrets and techniques to Expensify success. First, we’re making an attempt to seize the 99% of the untapped market. Of the 300 million companies on this planet, lower than 1,000,000 truly use something in the present day. And so, we’re making an attempt to go after an enormous, large world alternative as Ryan talked about earlier. The one manner to try this is thru a viral, bottom-up, word-of-mouth, lead-gen technique. You possibly can’t simply prime down sail your manner into 300 million companies. There’s simply not sufficient gross sales individuals on this planet to try this. And so there are many firms which have gotten to 1 billion customers. And the best way they do that’s with a viral technique. And that is why we’re all in on type of the viral dynamics which are in-built inherently to expense administration.
And naturally, we monetize that with high-margin month-to-month subscriptions. It has been our technique all alongside, and it is labored rather well for us. It is type of like break into that market, that 1.3 billion untapped customers. There’s an enormous fraction of the market that is principally underneath 250 staff. An enormous market is underneath like 10 staff and so forth. And so, we’re type of going for this big VSB/SMB market. Now, after all, we nonetheless have enterprise prospects rising there and so forth, however we expect the a lot larger alternative is definitely to 100x the market dimension itself.
And the best way we do that’s by leveraging the pure, inherent viral type of element of the varied use circumstances of expense administration. Expensify is basically a chat software, blended with a fee software, blended with a document-sharing software. And notably, all three of these are essentially the most viral functions on the Web. And so, we expect that we are able to discover the viral, then type of then overlap between these three completely different use circumstances, and that is what is going on to propel us into this large scale alternative.
And so, the best way we do that’s to type of like, map how that works is. We are able to say one thing like Alice, a person shopper or an worker, submits an expense to Bob, who principally turns round and sends an bill to Cathy, who splits the bill along with her roommates after which perhaps that a kind of roommates books journey along with her firm. Each time you employ Expensify as a product, you’ll be able to’t assist however promote us to the individuals round you. That is the viral dynamic we’re leaning into. And by constructing an excellent app that may leverage all these completely different functions in a single app bundle, then making it type of an excellent virality impact, that is what we’re going for.
So type of stroll by means of some highlights of that. So first, we have been constructing this for a very long time and we’re attending to the purpose the place we’re launching it. We’re testing with actual customers, and we’re getting ready for a a lot larger migration away from our basic messaging of the previous and in the direction of our new messaging and in the direction of that. We’re nearly to launch a brand new homepage. It has been A/B testing 1,000,000 variations for a very long time. Not essentially the most thrilling factor on this planet, however it’s a extremely seen factor. So, I simply wish to offer you a heads up.
Additionally, I’d say one of the vital thrilling issues, which is type of delicate, is we have constructed one thing we name our hybrid app. Now, recall that we’ve thousands and thousands of customers on our present app. We’re utilizing the basic expertise. And so, with the intention to migrate them to the brand new expertise, we do not need them to need to obtain a completely new app, lose all the search engine marketing and evaluate historical past and so forth that we’ve. However the brand new app is a whole rewrite. It is a utterly completely different know-how stack and all the things. And so, the best way that we’re type of bridging that hole is we have made a hybrid app. We’re within the technique of upgrading all prospects in the present day to this new app that really has each apps packaged inside it, the place you’ll be able to swap forwards and backwards between. Now, that sounds very easy. It is truly super-duper exhausting. And so, we labored very exhausting on that. We’re very pleased with it and we’re launching that proper now. And that is principally a key a part of permitting for reunification or principally this technique of taking outdated prospects and shifting them to new expertise.
Subsequent, one thing else we have been speaking about, tremendous enthusiastic about, we launched a full-fledged journey administration system constructed into New Expensify. And so journey administration, clearly, journey and expense, it is like peas and carrots. They go collectively to the daybreak of time. And so we’ve introduced the journey administration expertise into the product, which is extremely highly effective. We predict that it will probably scale as much as the highest of the market. It has very, very highly effective performance that may go head-to-head with anybody else on the market. And it is constructed into the identical tremendous app expertise than anything.
Moreover, we convey our distinctive taste to it as properly, in that we’re chat enabling all this performance. And what meaning is, usually, we prefer to say that we do a journey expense on the pace of chat, as a result of traditionally, in case you’re doing any type of a collaborative software on-line, you’ll be able to solely go as quick as the opposite individual within the collaboration. And if that collaboration is going on over e-mail, that signifies that you are collaborating on the pace of e-mail. And I do not learn about you, I’m all the time days or perhaps even weeks behind on my e-mail. And in order that signifies that any collaboration that somebody needs to do with me by way of e-mail is super-duper sluggish. Expensify is a real-time chat software, and we’re bringing that real-time chat performance to all of our approval flows, particularly journey approval.
So, for instance, think about you could — somebody’s requesting a flight, and in america, each flight will get 24-hour free cancellations, however solely to cancel in that 24 hours. And so it is within the enterprise’ curiosity to have these approvals occur extremely quick, quicker than you’ll be able to realistically get achieved by way of e-mail. And so that is what we imply by shifting at chat pace, not only for journey, however for all of our expense administration. It is simply eradicating the delay in all the collaboration course of and bringing it onto a single platform that lets it occur a lot quicker. As a result of the one technique to make expense administration quicker just isn’t by simply making the button click on quicker, we have to make the individuals concerned act quicker and that is the place the brand new design actually shines.
Additionally, simply numerous nuts and bolts work. This may sound type of boring, however now you’ll be able to enter a billing card in New Expensify. Up till this level, it simply was unimaginable to really purchase. However now you should purchase. And so what’s thrilling about that is we’re ready to start producing income from New Expensify beginning in Q3. So, we’re very excited and looking out ahead and optimistic for the longer term for including New Expensify as a brand new income stream, in addition to including journey bookings as a brand new income stream.
On prime of that, extra simply type of like nuts and bolts, Expensify’s historic energy has been our extremely good accounting connections, and so we’re migrating all of that over to New Expensify. Now, you’ll be able to connect with Xero, NetSuite, QuickBooks, Intacct, all of those principally instantly from inside New Expensify.
Probably the most thrilling options, I’d say, has bought to be our search platform. Now, we have all the time been speaking about search and this concept of common search and the way cool it’s, however you actually get to get a way of how cool it’s while you sit down to make use of it. And that’s there’s numerous rivals on the market which have a collection of type of disconnected functions. Meaning like journey over right here, you then signal into a distinct place for invoices and perhaps it is type of like the identical sign-in to get to completely different locations, however they’re basically completely different experiences. Expensify could be very completely different. It is a tremendous app, which means that every one of those completely different information varieties and all these completely different functions exist inside the identical app container. And meaning as a result of we have mixed all the information collectively, we are able to search it in a common vogue. And we’re not speaking similar to quite simple search. We’re speaking like Gmail-style, Boolean Search logic, the place you’ll be able to customized craft very, very particular searches for precisely what you need after which save these searches to be used later. And so, we expect that we will convey essentially the most highly effective search expertise throughout any expense administration resolution, bar none. And we’re doing it as a result of the tremendous app design permits us to mix information right into a single place, such that it may be searched collectively in a single place.
Then perhaps lastly, as we’re speaking about basically onboarding and that — as a result of we’re getting to some extent the place the core performance is beginning to work fairly good, we’re spending an increasing number of time on simply the onboarding flows themselves. They began speaking to the homepage, but in addition while you enroll, we’re including issues like welcome movies. Concierge is assigning you particular duties primarily based upon what you’ve got indicated you wish to do and issues like this. And so we’re simply very excited to be shifting out of the type of R&D mode and extra right into a go-to-market mode. And in order that’s a reasonably thrilling factor that we will speak extra about in upcoming quarters.
So general, I’d say that it has been a terrific quarter. I imply, like, Q1 was good. Q2 is even higher. And I feel that it is good that type of, as Ryan talked about, the core enterprise itself is steady. It is principally like issues are a robust basis and likewise our money stream is rising, which is incredible. I feel we have delivered an incredible quantity of engineering progress on New Expensify. And we’re within the course of of truly rolling it out to present prospects and new prospects and likewise enrolling it out in new journey markets, which is nice.
I’d say, wanting ahead to Q3, we hope that New Expensify is including a completely new income stream. We hope that New Expensify journey is including completely new income stream. And we expect that, as Ryan talked about, that we may be making large progress in migrating our present expense by card spend onto a New Expensify Card program, which is handled as income and likewise earns 20% extra in interchange. And so it is numerous actually thrilling issues within the works.
As all the time, our Product Managers are in a position to speak extra about any of this, and me too. So similar to scan this QR code, click on this hyperlink and are available speak to us.
And with that, I feel we’ll speak in confidence to questions.
Query-and-Reply Session
A – Unidentified Firm Consultant
Excellent. Okay. Let’s begin with JPMorgan.
Unidentified Analyst
Hello, Dave. Hello, Ryan, I used to be questioning in case you may remark a bit extra on the dynamics that you’ve got seen in July associated to the slight uptick within the buyer numbers. As you talked about up to now, it will usually be a sluggish month. What drove the advance?
Ryan Schaffer
Sure. It is a terrific query. Additionally good to see you once more. By way of what drove it, I do not suppose it is anyone factor. We have been speaking for lots of quarters about how we’re making numerous small adjustments. And I feel it is not one particular factor, it is not simply journey or something like that. It is that we — it is the sum of thousand steps principally. And we expect that I am not going to say that we can’t see lowering customers going ahead, however I feel we’re fairly inspired on type of leveling off and what we’re seeing in July. So…
David Barrett
Sure. I imply we did go to new conferences as properly. And so we have been continually messaging customers and simply giving pan service to the individuals who use us. So, I feel that every one provides up.
Ryan Schaffer
Sure. We have been — we bought numerous buzz from the Apple film as properly. Quite a lot of stuff happening in Expensify land.
Unidentified Analyst
Would you thoughts offering a bit extra element on this initiative? So, when do you suppose we are going to see the expense associated to the sponsorship hit the P&L?
Ryan Schaffer
So, it is acknowledged when the film comes out. So the…
Unidentified Analyst
So 2Q of subsequent 12 months?
Ryan Schaffer
Sure. That is after they come out in June of subsequent 12 months. Sure.
Unidentified Analyst
Okay. Excellent. And would you be capable to quantify it, a minimum of ballpark?
Ryan Schaffer
I am unable to try this, sadly.
Unidentified Analyst
Okay. And it feels like there was various funding achieved to make sure that, as David mentioned, the 2 apps are working collectively, the discharge of latest journey product and also you talked about shifting out of the R&D mode. When do you suppose we’ll see extra pronounced optimization of the R&D expense?
David Barrett
Fascinating. Are you speaking about how are we optimizing the R&D expense itself?
Unidentified Analyst
Effectively, your remark, David, about the truth that you are popping out of the R&D mode, does that indicate that R&D might…
David Barrett
Effectively, nice query. I did not imply to recommend something particular about R&D bills. I simply imply that — as a result of I feel — perhaps not, you are referring to an accounting time period. I simply imply by way of, like, we’re optimizing the gross sales course of, which includes a distinct type of R&D. It is principally R&D for streamlining the power for individuals to onboard versus R&D to allow individuals to make funds. Simply type of completely different in that manner. I do not know if that is…
Ryan Schaffer
Sure. Most individuals in all probability perceive this, however for those who do not, while you launch a product and you retain engaged on it, that is now not thought-about R&D, it is thought-about a price of income. So, the identical people who find themselves fixing issues or constructing issues on the day earlier than, after which they’ve to repair on the day after that. It is now not an R&D expense, however internally, we nonetheless would take into account that individual constructing a brand new product.
Unidentified Analyst
After which if I could squeeze another query, please. The remark about income coming in 3Q for New Expensify, would you be capable to quantify your estimate on that? And perhaps a extra broader query, what kind of metrics are you to get you some consolation with the intention to present the longer-term steerage, the income and EBITDA [indiscernible]?
Ryan Schaffer
So, I feel it is too early to offer a income quantity on New Expensify, lower than $1 million. Like considerably — all proper. I am not going to do it, but it surely’s not an enormous quantity, proper. However far more than zero anyhow. So, what was the second a part of the query?
Unidentified Analyst
The long-term information that you simply stopped offering?
Ryan Schaffer
Sure. Okay. I feel because the enterprise turns into extra predictable, we’ll — clearly, we have began giving some steerage on free money stream. And I feel our objective is to supply extra steerage generally. I feel we have to see somewhat bit extra stabilization or an extended interval of stabilization within the enterprise earlier than we really feel comfy doing that. However that is prime of thoughts for us, for certain.
Unidentified Analyst
Any particular metric if any?
Ryan Schaffer
How will we measure the success of New Expensify? Sure. Okay. So, basically, we’re measuring — there’s type of two flows for that we get enterprise. There’s bottom-up the place the worker downloads it first, brings it in to the enterprise after which they convert. And that typically does not contain any gross sales. The worker principally acts because the gross sales individual there. After which a top-down, which is the extra conventional SaaS course of, the place somebody on the prime talks to a gross sales individual. So, we’re monitoring each conversion of each of these flows after which doing that for our two fee plans, that are Gather and Management. So there’s principally two completely different segments, smaller companies and bigger companies. So we’re — these are the — do you agree, these are the 4?
David Barrett
Sure. I imply, there’s numerous alternative ways. All of it type of provides collectively, like completely different creeks flowing to the identical river. However perhaps we are able to comply with up extra in several calls.
Unidentified Analyst
After all. Sounds nice. Thanks very a lot for all of the solutions. I will bounce again into the queue.
Unidentified Firm Consultant
Excellent. Subsequent up, we’ve Citi.
Unidentified Analyst
Hey, thanks. That is George on for Steve. Thanks for taking the questions, David and Nick. I needed to ask about, Nick, your favourite matter, the New Expensify Card program. Actually thrilling that it is rolling out. I did wish to get some readability. The 34% of spend migrating, that is a extremely useful disclosure. I did discover that you simply additionally disclosed type of $0.5 million out of $4 million from the brand new program, which looks like lower than a 3rd. Possibly there’s some issues with timing, however I assume I’d have intuitively anticipated to be larger, giving your accumulating extra interchange. Are you able to assist sq. the circle there?
Ryan Schaffer
Completely. And only for the transcripts and all the things, that is Ryan. Nick’s our Head of IR.
Unidentified Analyst
Sorry, Ryan and David.
Ryan Schaffer
Hey, I do not need the transcripts to get confused. So, nice query. I believed we would truly get that query. So, the 34% is consultant of what proportion of our spend have been transitioned over on the finish of Q2, however to ensure that it to be precisely 30% whole income, we’d have needed to begin the quarter there. As a result of firstly of the quarter, it was like 10%. So, it is a transition over a three-month interval. So, on the finish of the quarter, we have transitioned 34% of spend, however numerous it truly occurred within the final, I feel, like 25-days of the quarter. So it is type of — that is why it appears prefer it does, as a result of we put out some banner notices and push notification stuff within the app, and that was tremendous efficient at pushing individuals over. So, does that make sense for you? It was only a timing…
Unidentified Analyst
Sure, that makes good sense. I figured it was only a timing factor. After which by way of that spend that is migrated over, I do know type of baseline, we’d count on a 20% uplift. However I am questioning, a part of the enchantment right here is that there is extra options on the brand new card program. Do you discover any type of change by way of, like, transaction volumes from individuals who have migrated over?
David Barrett
Undecided. Possibly a bit early for that.
Ryan Schaffer
The general public have migrated over within the final like 60 days. So it is robust, I feel, to attract some type of development there. However…
David Barrett
That is one thing to take a look at.
Ryan Schaffer
Basically, I imply, I feel once we get to an organization spend, we get most of their spend.
David Barrett
Sure. It is fairly all or nothing.
Unidentified Analyst
Okay. That is smart. After which only one final one for me on the choice to type of come again into the convention circuit. Possibly you may discuss perhaps the historical past of why you left that channel within the first place. Clearly you have got much more merchandise, New Expensify, numerous thrilling stuff to speak about. So simply perhaps the choice to return again there and any type of implications from an OpEx standpoint?
Ryan Schaffer
So, we by no means stopped going to conferences. We did cease going to this as soon as — to enter company journey conferences. So, again in 2016-ish, perhaps 2017, we have been going to journey conferences as a result of we had integrations with individuals like Egencia, which bought purchased by Amex. And we have been making an attempt to be the expense companion to an entire bunch of journey reserving instruments. And that was reasonably profitable, I might say. I imply, it generated enterprise, however did not knock our socks off. So, we stopped going to these. And now we’ve our personal reserving instruments. So, we’re actually type of re-engaging on the journey facet after taking a eight-year hiatus.
And by way of — I do not see it dramatically altering something. There’s not a ton of journey conferences. There is a ton of accounting conferences, however not as many journey conferences. So, I do not suppose it is actually shifting. I do not suppose you may discover it actually.
David Barrett
in all probability not.
Unidentified Analyst
Okay. Thanks for taking the query.
Ryan Schaffer
Thanks.
Unidentified Firm Consultant
Excellent. We have got JMP up subsequent.
Aaron Kimpson
Hey, thanks for the questions, guys. Few from me. So the primary one, how a lot of the preliminary demand you are seeing for journey is greenfield versus changing one other vendor? And who’re you bumping into there when it’s aggressive?
Ryan Schaffer
Initially, nice to listen to from you, Aaron. Hope you are having fun with New York. That may be a nice query. So, we’re truly seeing each. So clearly, greenfield is a better sale. They see it. Wow, that is unimaginable. How will we begin? The gross sales somewhat slower while you’re doing a rip and substitute, however we’re getting numerous enthusiasm from even individuals who at present have a present journey instrument. So it is — additionally we’re seeing numerous firms, new leads come to us as a result of we noticed a journey announcement and I feel it is — within the 2010s, suppose it was highly regarded or in vogue to have an entire bunch of various level options. I feel the very best in breed of this and this and this and this. And quick ahead 10 years, 12 years and know-how has gotten simpler, and having a platform does not essentially imply your product sucks.
In 2010, in case you had a number of merchandise, your merchandise have been fairly horrible. However that is not likely the case anymore. And I feel platform performs are gaining popularity. And since we have introduced T&E, journey and expense, we’re seeing numerous prospects type of — or numerous leads come out of woodwork being we wish each. So, I feel it is not nearly cross promoting. It is also simply been nice from bringing new eyes onto Expensify. So, we’ve numerous model energy and recognition, however we did not do journey. And for lots of firms, that is type of a deal breaker. And now we do journey. So that they’re partaking.
Aaron Kimpson
Superior. That is actually useful. And New York is great, however like, Ryan, there is not any place like Ohio. Second query. Are you able to make clear for us on the general public name, you have got a inventory repurchase plan licensed. You are producing money. Have over $30 million in internet money on the steadiness sheet. Valuation nonetheless close to an all-time low. How does the covenant together with your lender that restricts share repurchases work? What is the waiver you’ve got acquired from the lender? And is shopping for again shares proper now one thing that you are able to do with that covenant and one thing that you simply’re contemplating, if that’s the case?
Ryan Schaffer
Okay. Nice query. So, for the individuals that do not dig into our — deep into our disclosures, we’ve a covenant with our lender that limits how a lot we are able to — what number of shares we are able to purchase again. Now we have — at present, it is fairly low as a result of it is primarily based on a 12-month lookback on free money stream. And final Q3, we spent some huge cash. In order that’s type of pulling that down. So, we count on after this subsequent Q3, we’ll — that covenant might be loosened up and we’ll have the power to purchase again extra.
Aaron Kimpson
Acquired it. Thanks a lot.
Ryan Schaffer
[indiscernible], but it surely’s…
David Barrett
Functionality.
Ryan Schaffer
Sure.
Unidentified Firm Consultant
Nice. Subsequent up, we’ve BMO. Do we’ve Daniel or Kyle on the road? All proper. Let’s jump over to FT Companions.
Unidentified Analyst
Hey, there, guys. Thanks for taking the query right here. I simply wish to ask on the playing cards. I feel within the press launch, it was mentioned that you simply’re planning on getting 100% by the tip of the 12 months. So, is the plan then to no matter playing cards have not been transformed to principally forcefully shut them off and ship out new playing cards? And type of what is the technique to get to that 100% conversion fee?
Ryan Schaffer
Nice query. So, we’re seeing — so the quantity we mentioned was on the finish of Q2, proper? In order that’s like a 45-day-old quantity. So, we’re seeing nice progress even since then. We do suppose we’re in all probability going — I feel what you are principally angling at is, we’ll in all probability get to a really excessive proportion after which some proportion won’t do something, proper? So, we’ve not determined if we will shut off the playing cards or not. We do not wish to, however I feel we will attempt to get there simply by means of some aggressive — hopefully, they are not listening, however we’re in all probability going to close the playing cards off.
David Barrett
Do not inform anyone.
Ryan Schaffer
Sure, do not inform them. However we will simply attempt to by means of account managers and type of aggressively be like, all proper, we bought to reship them over as a result of — very last thing we wish to do is disrupt some enterprise operations, get all of them offended, after which they determine to depart us or one thing like that, proper? So, we will making an attempt to maneuver everybody with smiles and carrots and spare the stick.
David Barrett
Sure. I imply, in the end, these playing cards do finally expire and they also’ll be compelled emigrate over a method or one other. We’re simply making an attempt to speed up type of the inevitable timeframe.
Unidentified Analyst
Acquired it. That is smart. After which, I used to be simply questioning if there’s any replace on payroll. I feel that was a dialogue just a few quarters in the past, particular licenses. And so, I simply needed to see if there’s any updates there.
David Barrett
Certain. I imply, payroll, we nonetheless use it internally. We have got many of the cash transition licensing in place. I feel proper now we’re simply primarily centered on the core enterprise. We’ve the — principally, the know-how and the accounting principally in place, however there’s numerous front-end work that should occur to make it actually aggressive on this market. And there is little interest in, like, launching an uncompetitive product. As Ryan talked about earlier, it is one factor to have the ability to, like, verify the packing containers that technically you’ve got bought a product, after which that is the primary 90% of the work, if you’ll. However then just like the second 90% of the work is definitely making it actually good and market aggressive. And so I feel we’re in that second 90% proper now, and I do not suppose we’ve a precise estimate of once we’ll be launching a very aggressive product. However once we do launch it, it may be good.
Ryan Schaffer
And we’re additionally ready two MTLs.
David Barrett
Sure, there are a few [indiscernible], and so they’re huge ones.
Unidentified Analyst
Proper. So, I feel final we talked it was New York and perhaps one different nonetheless excellent. In order that is smart. Okay. That is all from me. Thanks, guys.
David Barrett
Thanks.
Unidentified Firm Consultant
Nice. That wraps the Q&A bit.
Ryan Schaffer
All proper. Thanks all very a lot.
As David talked about, we are literally within the Expensify chatroom. If you wish to talk about with us additional — I do know up to now we have had numerous retail merchants are available and speak to us, however you do not have to be a retailer to return and speak to us. Anybody can. So, we welcome our institutional pals as properly. However we’re truly in there. So, if you wish to speak to the CEO, go to this hyperlink. And we’re there to have interaction with all of our prospects or shareholders. So, thanks lots. We’ll see you subsequent quarter.
A – David Barrett
Thanks, everybody.